I don’t know about you, but when I watch Mike Gundy’s post-game press conference I feel like I can detect that he is a little upset with Jenni Carlson.
What is the deal with OSU football coaches and post-game press conferences? First Les Miles responds to a Bedlam loss by challenging any “sucker” in the country, and now Mike Gundy decides a victory over Texas Tech is the best place to try out his Bobby Knight impression?
Frankly, I am of two minds about this. On one hand, Gundy is largely correct on the merits. I’ve defended Jenni Carlson’s feature writing occasionally here in the comments — and I do think she’s an easy target for unfair criticism — but she really struggles, for whatever reason, as a columnist.
The article in question struck me as really bad when I read it this morning, mainly for the wild speculation. What we’ve seen this past week has been the local media spending hours and column inches interpreting a five-second clip of a laughing Bobby Reid, and all sorts of pundits extrapolating what that really means and what kind of person Bobby Reid is. That’s sad, and frankly, pathetic, and indicative of the sort of thing that happens all too often in our local media. You’ll notice Carlson’s story isn’t sourced at all, instead the entire premise is based on “rumors and rumblings.” To be fair, it wasn’t just her that went overboard with the Bobby Reid stuff this week, but for whatever reason she got the brunt of Gundy’s criticism.
So I can understand where Mike Gundy is coming from. But wow, was this the wrong way to express his feelings. At one point he screams “I’m a man! I’m forty!” Which is, I suppose, true on the facts, but the last time I checked not many mature 40-year-old men accost other adults in public the way Gundy did. In many ways, I really do sympathize with him, but ten years from now no one will remember whether or not he was making a good point; they’ll remember him ranting in a press conference like Jim Traber on the radio.
After weighing all of my feelings, the one thing I can say for certain is that I’m glad this happened. If nothing else, it should provide some good fodder until next week’s games. The only disappointment is that no one has shown video of Carlson’s reaction during the tirade. Surely, with all the cameras in the room someone got a clip of that.
Anyway, what was your favorite part of the incident? I’m torn between Gundy saying he hopes that Jenni Carlson will someday have kids that other people belittle and the weird applause at the end of his speech. Who was that? My money’s on Greg Swaim and Robert Allen…
Go Gundy!
By the way, I know is off the topic, but I wanted to ask you.
Who is more powerfull in Oklahoma: Gary England or Bob Stoops??
Go Gundy!!(also plz win some games)
An important question.
Gary England controls the weather, which is certainly a very powerful ability.
On the other hand, Bob Stoops is able to make a significant portion of the state march in lockstep with him no matter what he says or how off base he is.
If they were to combine forces, they could likely rule the entire country, or at least Great Plains.
Also, Mike called out the sports editor of The Oklahoman, and said he was “garbage.” Mike has always faced a fairly forgiving press;it will be interesting to see how The Oklahoman responds. Also, nobody really listens to Berry Tramel’s radio show, but I would pay money to hear his Monday show. What will Berry say?
This is funny in so many ways. Mike Gundy taking on Jenni Carlson. I love it!
I love to see Gundy get fired up!! Jenni Carlson deserved every second of that. Maybe MISS CHLEO was her source
http://fakestoops.blogspot.com/2007/09/come-after-me-im-man-im-forty.html
To be sure, Jenni Carlson’s column was unfair and insulting to Reid. To single out a collegiate athlete like that and publicly humiliate him is unprofessional to say the least. Nonetheless, Mike Gundy acted like the arrogant, macho, hot-headed jackass that he is in his response. It will be funny to see how much airtime his childish outburst will receive nationally.
I thought he could have worded it a little better but I guess in the heat of the moment it’s hard to think clearly.
I know I’ve had my share of moments where afterwards I thought to myself “You know. You should have said this and this.”.
Ok, so if the writer had been a man. How many people think a chair to the head would have been involved in this incident?
Gundy may have stuttered and stammered around a bit but it is understandable. The man was pissed and really had a right to be.
I love it when people simply speak from the heart and not regurgitate some pre-composed compost. Did Gundy look like and ogre? Not really…certainly no more than that Sooner all time great coach Howard Smellinburger. But Gundy certainly made more sense than Howard ever did.
GO GO GUNDY!
PS: Is it any wonder the Daily Oklahoman’s circulation is down…with columnists like this.
I could not agree more with your sentiments on the subject. What I found most ridiculous about the rant was the constant referring to Reid as a child. Excuse me, isn’t Reid 21 or so.
Also, does Gundy really think this helps Reid feel better. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to be equated to a crying little kid when you’re in college playing in front of thousands of people.
Who are the morons who are clapping at the end of this tirade?
I loved it. I literally sat there watching the press conference with my jaw on the ground. I don’t care what anybody says, this is just good television. I’m a sooner fan and I still say go Mike go. The only thing that could have made this clip better is if Mike actually form-tackled Jenni right there in front of the entire press, that would’ve been awesome. God he needs to get laid.
To answer your question. My favorite part was in the very beginning. “This was brought to me by a mother…of children”. What the hell else is she a mother of?
Notice The arrogance of Gundy. He did
not answer a single question. Now if any reporter dares to ask him a question at this week’s press conference, will he go ballistic again? Jenni wrote what many people have been saying about Reid, including on sports talk radio. The strong implication in the article was that some of her sources were from OSU. Daily Oklahoman says it stands behind its column-start of a cold war?
I say go Mike. It really was a silly article and was belittling to what seems to be a good kid.
The best point he made (maybe not in the most perfect speech, but really he had been in 90 degree heat for four hours) was that these guys are not professionals. When they screw up, sure write about them. But to call the kid a wimp and talk about his mom feeding him chicken in the parking lot, was kind of a low blow.
Either way, Jenni has been a tool ever since she wrote about Toni Lindsay’s knee.
I have an important question. Who would want to have a child with Jenni Carlson?
I’m kind of upset the Mike Gundy made such a big deal about this. It forced me to read a Jenni Carlson column.
Props to Gundy!
The Daily Oklahoman, Jenni Carlson, and that article are horrible. I’m sure she didn’t intend any harm with the article, but her meager skills as a journalist just kind of lead into it.
The only time players should be singled out and criticized are when they have committed a crime, broken the rules, or are being paid to play professionally and are not getting the job done. I think the prevalence of fan outlets like internet message boards and sports talk radio has created a situation where less-talented sportswriters forget that they need to have integrity and conduct themselves professionally.
Jenni is destoying the credibility of every female sports journalist. Gundy’s point was right on, he just didnt need to yell and look so stupid. Jenni will end up with positive remarks because of this and I’ll be forced to avoid her articles for at least another year before they finally wise up and cut her loose.
Was Jenni Carlson at the press confernece
What I find so amusing is that the article really had nothing to do with Jenni’s lack of “maternal” sensitivities. What does being a “mother of children” have to do with writing a bad article? I know I know its’s the lack of sensitivity to a “kid”. If she goes out and has herself a pack of children, I guess she’ll write better columns…
Gaylord family and the biased Daily Jokelahoman strike again. Go Mike go. Its about time someone stood up to defend a collegiate athlete unfairly criticized based on non-cited and inaccurate information. Jenni Carlson needs to get laid or get a better vibrator.
Both parties are wrong here. The article was horrible and off target. But Gundy’s tirade was embarrassing. He lost control and took some cheap shots. Am I clear on this…did he actually wish ill will on any future offspring she might have?
Not cool.
Jenni Carlson is a tool & he “articles” suck
oops. HER articles suck. BOOMER SOONER!! lol
Yes, Rick. Gundy, in effect, placed a curse on any future offspring of Jenni.
Is he a gypsy?
Go Gundy!
Does anybody else wonder what the guy sitting next to Jenni felt like last night? Talk about uncomfortable. Do you think he was scooting his chair away as quickly as possible, or was he too busy trying to pick his jaw up off the ground?
wow, just wow. Someone print t-shirts… now.
I am a man. I am 40.
It’s like a will ferrell sketch.
I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!
Sweet jeebus, as an OU alum this is like a shot of smack while smoking a joint. Jenni’s column, while not sourced, does affirm many people’s thoughts. The line about Bobby Reid’s mom feeding him chicken alone was print worthy (and sourced by first hand account, +1 Jenni).
Right now Cale Gundy is cursing his brother for revealing the infamous Gundy angry preacher gene.
Is it wrong to cite Mike Gundy the next time I explain that mothers do indeed, have children? (+1 Mike)
Final Score:
Mike – 1
Jenni -1
Boone Pickens’ team of ninjas: TBD
Here is hoping the newsok crew keep up the pressure. This may just wake Mark Rodgers from his blogging slummer.
Mike Gundy might be more of a woman than Carlson.
This will all be over with in a week. T. Boone’s already negotiating the purchase of The Oklahoman and he’s going to let Mike personally fire Jenni Thursday or Friday.
Go gundy! I’m proud of him. I’m a mother of three boys and I’ve had to sit in the bleachers and hear people critize my kids for running slow, dropping the ball, etc… and – this is in 1st grade, wee ball! Come on people… like Gundy said, what has society come too. And, my kids will always be special to me and if I want to feed them chicken in public when they are 20, let me and leave me alone.
Let’s not forget what really matters here: Gundy sucks as a coach.
“Mike Gundy acted like the arrogant, macho, hot-headed jackass that he is ” When has Mike Gundy ever acted arrogant – 95% of the time people gripe about he does n’t show enough emotion, then when he does, people like you say stuff like this – I think its pretty impressive of him to stand up for his athletes as he did, even if it wasn’t in the most eloquent (or best) way.
I read the article. I’ll bet Carlson was on to something. If her “sources” are accurate, I hope her paper will do what it takes to exonerate her. Staying silent in the face of this exaggerated and obscene display of “fan frenzy” on behalf of OSU is just not acceptable in my mind. I don’t know Carlson, never met her, never saw her, but some of the things I’ve seen written here and on the Oklahoma web site by “OSU fans” about her appearance, her profession, her sexuality and her personality are just plain ugly. So she criticized a highly touted, college athlete who’s getting a free education supposedly because he’s such a talent? He’s not “kid.” He’s an adult who owes Oklahoma several thousand dollars worth of good football. And, Gundy has been notorious for not answering the fans questions regarding the mediocrity the last three years of Reid’s play and the entire football team. He owes his university, his fans, his team and the state of Oklahoma more than that. So, did she speculate or did she just finally report what was being told to her “off the record” for the past three years? My guess is the latter. By the way, do you think it’s normal for a 21-year-old’s mother to hand feed him while he talks on the phone?
Gundy and 0-State are a couple of dildos. While I’m not opposed to see Carlson get thrown into the fire, the way Spike Mike handled it was laughable at best. Makes me embarrased to be from the state. His hissy fit is gonna overshadow the fact that his crappy team won a game they shouldn’t have.
Was Reids mom really feeding him chicken nuggets? Classic.
Gundy claims that Reid is only a child and that Jenni treated him unfairly, and I assume the OSU fans who agree with his content (regardless of his childish demeanor), would claim that it is unfair. But how many of these same people made fun of Mack Brown for doing the same thing with “I’ll answer that one for Chris” during a UT press conference?
While 21 is barely an adult, you are still an adult. Old enough to vote, old enough to operate a vehicle, old enough to drink… certainly old enough for a little criticism (as unconstructive as it may have been)
Im 34 years old and if my mother wants to feed me chicken in the parking lot, more power to her. Because chicken is awesome. Anyone who disagrees with me is garbage. And if you do, it makes me wanna puke. That’s all. (I’m walking away from my computer now angry)
Another thing to ponder. If it had been a man who had written this column, would Gundy have gone after him so strongly in a public forum? And would writers on this forum be speculating that a MALE columnist needs to get laid or get a better vibrator? Think about it before you write another ugly thing about that lady columnist. That’s what’s so embarassing to me, as a woman, about these comments. This has brought out the ‘ugly’ factor in a lot of people and just shows how unenlightened so many people are.
Let’s start “peeling the onion back on this” — on the sports journalism side. The sports media is going out on the limb from time to time — and they don’t clearly say what is speculation from fact, etc. Wonder why Gundy didn’t let his sports info director go in full force to “handle this”? Or maybe he did? What did the SID do or not do? Maybe SID and journalists are too cozy about stepping on toes.
Wow!! I am actually fired up!! Finally! First of all.. I am a die hard O.U. fan. But, watching the heart, loyalty, concern, and true love for the GAME that Mike Gundy posesses is truly admirable!!! These children leave home and life changes drasticly! They are treated like rock stars, super stars, CELEBRITIES!!! How do teenagers/new adults truly know how to handle, and be expected to be able to handle, the fame and the heart break of life, success and discipline??? But……when a supposed Oklahoman and reporter that is obligated to report the truth, continuously write articles to hurt Oklahoma players and people, cause controversy in subjects that she has obviously had no experience or knowledge in. I remembered her name….
Isn’t she the person that was responsible for the Oak Tree articles about the hole that was so hard it was named Hangman’s Noose. Traditionally the Men’s course and considered to be so hard that by reaching that hole you were literally ready to hang yourself. She made it RACIST all on her own. Does she even play golf? She just wants to be noticed and will go about any means possible to benefit her own person. She sucks!!!
LOL @ big boy. I pictured his mom peeling chicken off the bone but you may be right. I think real mama is on to somthing, is Gundy carrying water for the rest of the male dominated media/coaches?
Peel the onion back like midwest boy says.
Like this is the first piece of crap article the Oklahoman has put out… They use this paper in journalism classes nationally to show how extreme bias and poor editorial decision can create a worthless paper.
well damn……. theyve finally shutdown the oklahoman.com
hallelujiah…..
its back up. guess its not used to having more than the local 20 ppl who actually read the paper.
Why did Gundy spend so much time complaining about her subject matter? They should have a daily press conference griping about her terrible writing style, and it would be justified.
In response to Real Mama — I don’t think Carlson would have a job if she weren’t a woman. A man who wrote as poorly as her couldn’t get a job in sports journalism.
what’s wrong with driving a dodge stratus?
Gundy was right on target and Jenni finally got her well deserved bashing.
Now on another note, http://www.newsok.com is horrible. You would think a MAJOR media outlet would be able to keep their website up. Apparently they weren’t prepared for the publicity that this article is now getting. Which, begs me to ask….were they just trying to ruffle some feathers to get some attention to their paper?
I still think its funny how all oklahomans seem to think that the DOK sucks, but when someone calls them on it, OU fans seem quick to say that its uncalled for…Was the gaylord money “hush money”?
Jenni once wrote an article on Josh Heupel and breathlessly shared that Josh didn’t want any butter on his beans because he was trying to get leaner for the upcoming season.
If Jenni can spread rumors about a college player and make fun of him for losing his job then Gundy should be able to call her out. It’s okay for her to embarass Bobby, but not okay for Gundy to embarass her? Fuck her!
Damn her for spreading rumors that he is a nugget eating, ball dropping, overrated fatty.
Jenni Carlson would not know objectivity, integrity, truth or honesty if it walked up and slapped her in the face. I wish it could. She would never last at any paper in Colorado.
Jenni Carlson has sunk to a new low and what she wrote is an example of shoddy yellow journalism. What she wrote is entirely indefensible.
I am a part-time resident of OK and CO so I follow w/ avid interest both OSU and OU. In CO we have three great football schools within close proximity of each other (CU, CSU, and AFA) and three front range newspapers that write fairly and honestly about each of them (Denver Post, Rocky Mountain News and Colorado Springs Gazette). Many of us are even willing to “adopt” Wyoming because of its close proximity to CO. These newspapers do not ignore any of these schools and furthermore, these newspapers treat each school equally and fairly and above all with respect.
These papers write their sports columns and opinion pieces based on fact and truth, whether it hurts or not. It’s still the truth and its still factual. These papers are equally proud of all of Colorado schools and bias is never detected by the reader.
The trouble with the Oklahoman is this: The bias against OSU and towards OU is obvious and palpable. I guess that is because the Colorado newspapers do not have any money tied up in its schools and teams. It does not take a genious to know where the Gaylord’s money goes. And it doesn’t take a genious to know how the Gaylord’s expect their employees to write about OSU znd OU.
Guess what: the sun does not set and rise and the world does not begin and end with OU or the Oklahoman or its writers.
Sray
But Gundy, it’s your football players that are picking on my child! And I should know because I’m a FATHER! Of CHILDREN!
You consider those three as great football schools? Hmmmm.
If you have a final take on this subject, hurry up and give it. I think we may close this thread down at around noon.
Remember, the guilty dog always barks the loudest, Mike Gundy is very certainly Illiterate in the usage of the English language, used double negatives throught his rant, and numerous aints, what a pathetic student he must have of been, a leader of men,hardly.IMO
But he is a man. And he is 40.
Gundy, the coach; Gundy the father; Gundy, the defender. I want Gundy on my side any day, emotion and all.
It’s about time someone stood up to Carlson and that rag she “writes” for. Carlson, Ed Kelley and the Gaylords need to be put in their place, and its not at the top of the hill because they are sure as hell not the cream of the crop.
Any person who stoops to the gutter in order to create and spread falsehoods and any orgainzation that stands by and supports such garbage needs to be put in their place. That would be the gutter they crawled out of.
One more thing. We all know the Gaylord family has interests and money tied up in the Oklahoman and in OU. They need to either divest the Oklahoman or take control of it and turn that paper around into a class act. Their inaction in this regard is seen as encouraging the bad behavior and shoody, yellow journalism of the Oklahoman. One would think they would care too much about their name to allow this to go on.
I would like the Gaylords use some of their money to turn that paper around and take it to best of class. That would mean assuring the best professors staff thier school of journalism at OU. It means hiring good journalists who write with honesty, truthfulness, and integrity. It means taking a stand for common decency. It will take a lot of hard work and money to do that. But hey, money buys anything, right? Yeah, right. This will take more than money. This will take courage and integrity. What a concept.
Until then, ignoring the problems at the Oklahoman is merely encouraging those problems to fester and it makes them just as common as the likes of Jenni Carlson and Ed Kelley.
Funny site, I am a Razorback fan and this is baby stuff compared to the problems over this way. I love this tirade I wish the media over this way would have some stones. Oh by the way fire Nutt! war Gundy and you guy’s site here great stuff!
Thanks for all the comments on this post. We know Gundygate is a hot topic, and it seems that everyone has an opinion.