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		<title>By: Gan M.</title>
		<link>http://www.thelostogle.com/2008/06/16/this-collected-wisdom-stuff-isnt-very-wise/#comment-8042</link>
		<dc:creator>Gan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if Cochell discovered that his ace pitcher was gay...Would it be perfectly acceptable for him to then say on tape that "there's no faggot in that boy"? Same scenario, doesn't understand or like the "subculture" and makes a blanket inflammatory statement. 

Even though the family involved in this instance might not have been offended, many parents of minority players would hesitate to entrust their son to this coach when he so flippantly uses this term. As a white person you would probably think twice to send your kid to play for a black coach who said a player was "one of the good whites."

I don't claim to know Cochell, I would probably like him, but then again I am white and there is nothing threatening to me in his statement. Bottom line is that he was employed by a public university and when his comments portray that institution as negatively as this one did he deserved to be fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if Cochell discovered that his ace pitcher was gay&#8230;Would it be perfectly acceptable for him to then say on tape that &#8220;there&#8217;s no faggot in that boy&#8221;? Same scenario, doesn&#8217;t understand or like the &#8220;subculture&#8221; and makes a blanket inflammatory statement. </p>
<p>Even though the family involved in this instance might not have been offended, many parents of minority players would hesitate to entrust their son to this coach when he so flippantly uses this term. As a white person you would probably think twice to send your kid to play for a black coach who said a player was &#8220;one of the good whites.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim to know Cochell, I would probably like him, but then again I am white and there is nothing threatening to me in his statement. Bottom line is that he was employed by a public university and when his comments portray that institution as negatively as this one did he deserved to be fired.</p>
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		<title>By: jackbowenswig</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackbowenswig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad can't your dad defend himself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad can&#8217;t your dad defend himself?</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Matthews</title>
		<link>http://www.thelostogle.com/2008/06/16/this-collected-wisdom-stuff-isnt-very-wise/#comment-8035</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a great comeback, thank you.  I think the point has been made.  You are best friends with Larry Cochell, he is not a racist, he only calls black people a racist epithet if they don't act like they grew up in a country club.  We get it.  Since this isn't a message board, we're going to have to shut the comments down if you want to respond to everything with a restatement of what you said before...unless you add some jokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great comeback, thank you.  I think the point has been made.  You are best friends with Larry Cochell, he is not a racist, he only calls black people a racist epithet if they don&#8217;t act like they grew up in a country club.  We get it.  Since this isn&#8217;t a message board, we&#8217;re going to have to shut the comments down if you want to respond to everything with a restatement of what you said before&#8230;unless you add some jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
		<link>http://www.thelostogle.com/2008/06/16/this-collected-wisdom-stuff-isnt-very-wise/#comment-8033</link>
		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not calling him racist.  I'm calling him ignorant.  

I'll go back to what I said before.  Cochell was a hell of a coach.  To be that, you have to identify with kids.  I have no doubt that he had great relationships with those players and their families.  But he didn't use that word in discussing them.  He used that word in discussing members of a subculture (your word).  I still find that offensive and inexcusable.

And yes, I'd rather be told to eff off than hear a racial slur.  One is personal; the other is categorical.  I'd rather the people who insult me know me well enough to make it personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not calling him racist.  I&#8217;m calling him ignorant.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go back to what I said before.  Cochell was a hell of a coach.  To be that, you have to identify with kids.  I have no doubt that he had great relationships with those players and their families.  But he didn&#8217;t use that word in discussing them.  He used that word in discussing members of a subculture (your word).  I still find that offensive and inexcusable.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;d rather be told to eff off than hear a racial slur.  One is personal; the other is categorical.  I&#8217;d rather the people who insult me know me well enough to make it personal.</p>
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		<title>By: fatpants</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just telling you, I know Cochell. I know both of the black kids who were on that team, and one of the dads. 
You don't know ANY of them. You've never even talked to them.
And yet you think you know the guy better than me, b/c you saw one sentence he said?
That's a joke.
He's not even close to being a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just telling you, I know Cochell. I know both of the black kids who were on that team, and one of the dads.<br />
You don&#8217;t know ANY of them. You&#8217;ve never even talked to them.<br />
And yet you think you know the guy better than me, b/c you saw one sentence he said?<br />
That&#8217;s a joke.<br />
He&#8217;s not even close to being a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: fatpants</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great comeback; rather than argue just play the race card!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great comeback; rather than argue just play the race card!</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatpants needs to find a "Friends of Racists" support group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatpants needs to find a &#8220;Friends of Racists&#8221; support group.</p>
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		<title>By: fatpants</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the militant racists or white liberal pansies are the ones who insist on getting involved in and commenting on a situation that A) had nothing to do with you and B) did not bother the supposedly "offendees" anyway. What business is it of yours? Did you hear him say it? Were you within earshot? Was it your child? Nope, you are just somehow "offended" that someone said a word you didn't hear.

You're twisting the comments around anyway. I never said the word wasn't offensive to many people; it is. I don't like to hear it, and I don't say it - because I know what it means to most people. Most people are offended by the word, just like most people are offended by "Fuck off". 
Cochell admitted as much; that's why he said it was a mistake to say that to them (the reporters he did not know). 

Too many of you people (whiners &#38; racists) have been brainwashed into playing everything into the race card. The man is not a racist; he doesn't like people who sag &#38; rap &#38; jive &#38; look like thugs - just like most people (white or black) in his generation. Do you think he would like coaching Eminem? No, b/c he dislikes the CULTURE, not the color.

Cochell tried to explain himself at the time, but it was too late --you people (whiners &#38; racists, not blacks) had already blown it up and wanted him lynched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the militant racists or white liberal pansies are the ones who insist on getting involved in and commenting on a situation that A) had nothing to do with you and B) did not bother the supposedly &#8220;offendees&#8221; anyway. What business is it of yours? Did you hear him say it? Were you within earshot? Was it your child? Nope, you are just somehow &#8220;offended&#8221; that someone said a word you didn&#8217;t hear.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re twisting the comments around anyway. I never said the word wasn&#8217;t offensive to many people; it is. I don&#8217;t like to hear it, and I don&#8217;t say it - because I know what it means to most people. Most people are offended by the word, just like most people are offended by &#8220;Fuck off&#8221;.<br />
Cochell admitted as much; that&#8217;s why he said it was a mistake to say that to them (the reporters he did not know). </p>
<p>Too many of you people (whiners &amp; racists) have been brainwashed into playing everything into the race card. The man is not a racist; he doesn&#8217;t like people who sag &amp; rap &amp; jive &amp; look like thugs - just like most people (white or black) in his generation. Do you think he would like coaching Eminem? No, b/c he dislikes the CULTURE, not the color.</p>
<p>Cochell tried to explain himself at the time, but it was too late &#8211;you people (whiners &amp; racists, not blacks) had already blown it up and wanted him lynched.</p>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you're a militant racist and white liberal pansy if you find that word offensive?  What if I've spent significant time in DC, Memphis, Chicago, and Atlanta?  Does that buy me enough street cred to take offense?  What if I've taught in inner-city schools and had to separate on multiple occasions students calling each other that?  Can I detest the word yet?  And what if I've worked for a white boss in the past who wasn't going to hire any of those [insert word here]?

The truth is, using the word around people he didn't know wasn't Cochell's sin.  Being surprised when a black man doesn't "act black" shows ignorance and poor judgement.  When you've shown that you're the person who finds it remarkable, you don't deserve a big paycheck from a university anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re a militant racist and white liberal pansy if you find that word offensive?  What if I&#8217;ve spent significant time in DC, Memphis, Chicago, and Atlanta?  Does that buy me enough street cred to take offense?  What if I&#8217;ve taught in inner-city schools and had to separate on multiple occasions students calling each other that?  Can I detest the word yet?  And what if I&#8217;ve worked for a white boss in the past who wasn&#8217;t going to hire any of those [insert word here]?</p>
<p>The truth is, using the word around people he didn&#8217;t know wasn&#8217;t Cochell&#8217;s sin.  Being surprised when a black man doesn&#8217;t &#8220;act black&#8221; shows ignorance and poor judgement.  When you&#8217;ve shown that you&#8217;re the person who finds it remarkable, you don&#8217;t deserve a big paycheck from a university anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: fatpants</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, i've been several times. "we be bringin' tha wood - Meeelllwooood"

It's amazing to me that Cochell said what he said and the only black people involved (Dunnegin, his dad, and Chuckie and his dad) did not care and said publicly that the only problem they had with it was the flippant use of the word. Imagine that - the 4 black men who were actually part of the situation understood what he meant and know he's not a racist. BUT...a bunch of white liberal pansies and militant racists (who have never talked to Cochell, the kids or parents) have a knee-jerk hissy fit over something run up the flagpole by a couple of 50-cent journalists (read: prostitutes).
It was stupid to use the word around people he didn't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, i&#8217;ve been several times. &#8220;we be bringin&#8217; tha wood - Meeelllwooood&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me that Cochell said what he said and the only black people involved (Dunnegin, his dad, and Chuckie and his dad) did not care and said publicly that the only problem they had with it was the flippant use of the word. Imagine that - the 4 black men who were actually part of the situation understood what he meant and know he&#8217;s not a racist. BUT&#8230;a bunch of white liberal pansies and militant racists (who have never talked to Cochell, the kids or parents) have a knee-jerk hissy fit over something run up the flagpole by a couple of 50-cent journalists (read: prostitutes).<br />
It was stupid to use the word around people he didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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