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Hobby Lobby really dislikes abortion inducing drugs that do not induce abortions…
Jan 14
2013
Say what you want about Hobby Lobby’s fledgling contraception lawsuit against the government, at least the company’s co-founder, David Green, is putting his money where his misguided mouth is…kind of.
After Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor denied the companies’ request for an injunction while their silly lawsuit is pending, the company announced they would rather pay $1.3-million in daily fines than provide employees with access to the morning-after pill as part of its health-care plan.
However, it looks like they’ve figured out a temporary loophole to prevent paying the hefty penalty. Via NewsOK:
Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. will shift the beginning of its employee health plan to temporarily stave off potentially millions of dollars in fines while its legal challenge to a federal mandate on emergency contraceptives proceeds.
The shift will allow Hobby Lobby to dodge penalties for several months that are part of the Affordable Care Act, the company said Thursday. The health care law requires the company to cover the cost of the emergency contraceptives for its employees or face up to $1.3 million in fines each day it fails to comply with the law, beginning at the inception of their insurance plan year.
A representative for Hobby Lobby declined to elaborate on how long the company will have before its new plan year will start — when the federal mandate on emergency contraceptives coverage would kick in.
“Hobby Lobby does not provide coverage for abortion-inducing drugs in its health care plan,” corporate general counsel Peter Dobelbower said in a statement.
“Hobby Lobby will continue to vigorously defend its religious liberty and oppose the mandate and any penalties,” he said.
Company founder and CEO David Green and his family consider some types of emergency contraceptives, including the morning-after and week-after pill, a type of abortion.
Covering the contraceptives through the company’s employee health plan would conflict with the Green family’s constitutionally protected religious beliefs, attorneys for the company have argued.
Yeah, that’s cute and courageous and everything, but there’s only one problem. Those abortion inducing drugs they’re referring to really don’t exist. From the Princeton website:
No, using emergency contraceptive pills (also called “morning after pills” or “day after pills”) prevents pregnancy after sex. It does not cause an abortion. (In fact, because emergency contraception helps women avoid getting pregnant when they are not ready or able to have children, it can reduce the need for abortion.)
Emergency contraceptive pills work before pregnancy begins. According to leading medical authorities – such as the National Institutes of Health and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists – pregnancy begins when the fertilized egg implants in the lining of a woman’s uterus. Implantation begins five to seven days after sperm fertilizes the egg, and the process is completed several days later. Emergency contraception will not work if a woman is already pregnant.
The way emergency contraceptive pills work depends on where you are in your monthly cycle when you take them. EC works primarily, or perhaps exclusively, by delaying or inhibiting ovulation (release of your egg). It is possible that EC may affect the movement of egg or sperm (making them less likely to meet), interfere with the fertilization process, or prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. The copper in Copper-T IUDs can prevent sperm from fertilizing an egg and may also prevent implantation of a fertilized egg.
Uhm, can someone please send this post to the Green family? They’re probably so busy buying old bibles and cheap crap from China that they never had time to research the science behind the evil “morning after pill.” Maybe reading all this will let them know how stupid their lawsuit is.
On that note, if Hobby Lobby is such a Christian, anti-abortion and holier-than-thou corporation, why is so much of their shitty, over-priced inventory manufactured in China? If the Green family really believed in the sanctity of life and religious freedom, they probably wouldn’t choose to do business with a country that denies basic human rights and carries out forced abortions. Then again, they need to make enough money to pay their $1.3 million fine, so I guess importing from China’s okay. Anything for the sake of a cheap buck or wall ornament or glittery Styrofoam ball, right?
I started boycotting Hobby Lobby about the same time I stopped visiting Chick Fil A (about 2.5 years ago.) Stupidity and ignorance shouldn’t be rewarded with anyone’s hard-earned money.
To hell with this!! Show more pretty girls!!
No way, bro. Patrick going off on this kind of lunacy gives me the potential to have many, many unborn children. I may have already sinned in not giving my “half-children” a home in a womb somewhere.
THEY DO SO CAUSE ABORTIONS! YOUR GOING TO HELL!
And “YOU’RE” going to grammar hell.
Christians and conservatives can’t be bothered with facts.
FYI shoeglue, pro life groups are basing this opinion on science. Birth control pills have an added effect of changing the uterine lining. Many experts think this makes implantation less likely, though there is no consensus .
Pro life groups are telling people the pill will block a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb(which is abortion in their opinion). These aren’t the typical “conservative facts” we see coming from an in laws emails or fox news. The are based on the research coming out of respected medical journals.
It’s not even a religious issue. It’s more about privacy. Once your employer compensates you, it has no say in how you use that compensation. If health care is part of the compensation, then it needs to be complete health care, including all forms of contraception. Hobby Lobby is posturing while standing firm on a foundation of ignorance – that was probably made from a mixture of chemicals produced in China, and that will give us all lead poisoning.
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The problem with the basis of your argument is that Hobby Lobby, under the Affordable Care Act, has no “choice” in whether to provide health care. They either provide health care (including the things they disagree with) or pay the penalty. So, in reality, there isn’t much of a choice – it’s about like saying “give me your wallet or I’ll stab you.”
True, and Baptists have no “choice” in whether to pay employees or not. They either provide a paycheck (that employees could use to buy things they disagree with, like alcohol) or pay the penalty. So, in reality, there isn’t much of a choice. Baptists have to buy their employees alcohol. And since all employees are Godless, good for nothing sinners, it’s obvious that they’re going to go right out and use their paycheck to get drunk, so Baptists shouldn’t have to pay their employees.
Their employee should have to get their permission to buy anything and just be completely beholden to them. Kind of like the serfs back in medieval times.
You know, we should really make employers lords and their employees servants. Employees really aren’t good enough or responsible enough to do anything without their employer dictating to them at all time. If his lordship allows his vasals to do something that the church hasn’t dictated to him to dictate to his abject servants, why, he might go to hell for not being able to control those helpless, hapless cattle that are his servants.
Obviously, denying an employee the advantage of his employers tyranical overight would be completely detrimental to society.
Maybe we can start building some guillotines in preparation to the obvious result of this line of reasoning?
Maybe employers should automatically have the power of attorney over employees while they’re at it. You know, if the employer is paying for their employee’s life to be saved, they should have the right to decide if their employee lives or dies and should have complete and utter control over their every penny.
You know, if an employer hates an employee and wants to kill them, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to. The employee wouldn’t even have a life without the benificence of their lord employer.
In the name of fairness: the fundie christians consider “life” to start at fertilization, not when the xygote implants. Thus anything that causes the destruction of a xygote is considered an abortion by them.
Not to be a trouble maker, but doesn’t this single fact destroy the entire premise on which the post is based? Do we think Patrick doesn’t get that or he just needed something to write about and hoped we wouldn’t notice? I am sure there are plenty of angles to attack HL’s position in this situation…why use one so illogical?
Bam! I just got served! I think…
I think this issue is just slightly tough, because technically if you respected the Freedom of Religion rights of Hobby Lobby, then you COULD require the morning after pill (not to be taken any later than 72 hours after intercourse, right?) but not the week after pill (when there is actually a chance of an egg to have been fertilized (on the early side of the 5-10 day window). Therefore, I think we might need Sandra Day O’Connor back in the courts – she was known for splitting hairs so fine the hair hardly existed after her ruling. It seems to me that the science is EXTREMELY clear for the morning after pill, and I can’t believe that all those around David Green would shield him from that information … OR that he would simply ignore it. It’s BIRTH CONTROL, nothing more. However, when you get into the grey area of “exactly how fast did the sperm swim, and have they actually met the egg” – that area really is a little more tricky. I sure as hell don’t want to usurp Freedom of Religion, NOR do I want to usurp reasonable measures for avoiding unwanted pregnancy. – - Okay, I’m done writing for now. Thanks for the venue to vent.
BTW, I had my “Top Poster” status revoked, and my comments deleted at NewsOK for calling Hobby Lobby hypocritical about the abortion topic. I said that HL was hypocritical because they choose to do a lot of business in China which has a notorious “one child” governmental doctrine, also christianity openly persecuted in China.
I remember seeing that comment. It was epic and I salute you.
Thanks. After a week or so they reinstated my posting priviledges and subsequently my “Top Poster” status. But, I’m pretty much done with the NewsOK website; they’ve deleted too many comments only because they didn’t like the intellectual content of the views expressed. NewsOK made their position abundantly clear: there might be freedom of speech in America, but not on the NewsOK website, especially when you make a negative comment about one of their advertising clients.
They should probably quit paying their employees because then they may choose to spend their paycheck on beer, drugs, or their regularly scheduled tithe to the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Ummm… Jehovah’s Witnesses dont tithe and I’m not sure what they have to do with Hobby Lobby
witnesses are allowed to drink too.
I should point out that dmboarder can’t spell or figure out the CAPS LOCK key on his/her keyboard. Not a very Christian comment; damning us all to HELL.
You should but didn’t because dmboarder made a real comment in the same way Kim Jong Un won the sexiest man alive in 2012?
SPELING IS HARDER THAN SARCASIM!
Hey what about my business…I am Morman and my wife is a Jehovah Witness. (Crazy, I know) You will get no medicine with alcohol or blood transfusions on my health network. Hell why we are at it, I was thinking of being racist too. Why is the big bad government making me insure any minorities?
BTW – It’s Princeton University.
Saying “University of Princeton” proves you’re not very smart.
Are you the one on here who went to the University of Oklahoma State?
Good catch. However, I actually wrote “University of Princeton.” I didn’t “say” it. You’re not very smart either.
Actually you didn’t “write” it either, you “typed” it. You sure you want to keep playing this game?
Not really, I prefer to not engage with people who read the writings of a dumb blogger.
Dude, you just borrowed the Traber tactic.
“If you think I’m an idiot….don’t listen to me!!!!!”
Well played.
And you just used one of my tactics by using a Traber reference to prove a point. Well done.
not a surprising story from a company that’s too scared implement a barcode system in their stores. they force those poor cashiers to input prices manually, then deny them sexy time pills?
Bar codes are clearly part of the Debbil’s “Mark of the Beast” campaign.
REALLY? Enough of this Tom Foolery! You are not going to settle the issue on this site, Let’s see more pics of pretty babes!
Why isn’t this post about the fact that Hobby Lobby actually covered these pills in their health plan until OBAMA “forced” them to. At which point they decided not to cover them anymore for the express purpose of filing their lawsuit and making themselves into manufactured martyrs.
Judge Heaton’s ruling on their case discusses this at length. They said it was an “accident.”