This last weekend saw the first phase of “opening up” the state, with many businesses getting the OK to get back to work. People are still getting infected and dying, but industry says ‘life must go on,’ at least, until life ceases to go on and more people die.
Norman let some businesses re-open, but apparently the nail salons are pissed that they didn’t get the same go-ahead.
From The Oklahoman:
NORMAN — The owners of three salons are accusing Norman Mayor Breea Clark of violating their constitutional rights by not including them in a first wave of businesses that could re-open Friday.
Lion Salon owner Ashley Russell, LeVisage Day Spa owner Kathryn Morris and Polished Beauty Bar & Salon owners Susan Babb and Dana Bradey allege Clark unfairly targeted salons in the proclamation to open some non-essential businesses and delay others.
Clark and the City of Norman are defendants in a 127-page petition filed Thursday in Cleveland County District Court. The plaintiffs are asking a judge to prevent the mayor from enforcing the proclamation — which prevents salons from opening until May 15 — by issuing a temporary restraining order.
A hearing is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. Monday in District Judge Lori Walkley’s courtroom.
“The Mayor’s April 28, 2020 Proclamation directly infringes on Plaintiffs’ constitutional right to the enjoyment of the gains through their own industry,” the petition states. “In particular, the Mayor’s April 28, 2020 Proclamation prevents Plaintiffs from operating their businesses, yet many other businesses in the City of Norman and businesses around the State are allowed to operate.”
[…]The plaintiffs are not seeking restitution.
There is some serious Big Karen Energy going on here. First of all, it’s ridiculous that non-essential businesses are allowed to reopen at a time when we’re all still very uncertain how this will play out. Penn Square Mall decided to let everybody in this weekend to go Build-A-Bear, and the mall zombies were out in full force, not a mask in sight:
THE CROWD IS GROWING https://t.co/6qTKD29rLe pic.twitter.com/A20h6XpAF8
— Wayne Stafford (@WayneStaffordTV) May 1, 2020
The other big point is that nail salons are in no way essential right now. I get that it’s nice to look good for yourself, but nobody should being seeing your nails right now other than the people you live with. And there is absolutely no way to keep a safe 6-foot distance while you’re sitting in that chair, unless your nail tech is clipping those things with tree shears and painting them with a paint roller.
The kicker is that the plaintiffs aren’t even seeking any economic compensation, and by the time this lawsuit actually hits the courts, their shops will probably be open, meaning that they’ll have to take time away from work so they can argue about something that happened two months ago.
But when Karen wants to speak to the manager, by golly she’s gonna do it.
Everyone knows that a group of Karens is called a privilege. This illustrates that perfectly.
“Look! It’s a privilege of Karens!”’(Good one, BTW.)
Thanks 😉 I can’t take credit for it – saw it on Reddit a few weeks ago and have been chuckling ever since.
I ran into a few Karens when I had to make my emergency grocery run. No masks, going down the aisles the wrong way. I have never known a Karen that I liked, even in grade school. My apologies to any GOOD Karens reading this.
We are past deciding what is “essential” or not (which was a bit of a stretch anyway — Sonic?). Many stores and restaurants are now open. The key question should be, “can this business operate safely?”. With all the pics and video of people visiting stores without masks I guess the answer is “none of them”, but aside from that, most of those personal services are regulated industries who should have an education in rules and best practices for bacterial contamination, and ought to be able to add some precautions for this contagious virus. Not sure there is a constitutional right being violated here, but it does seem very unfair, give them a break Commandant Clark!
The only “Karen’s” are people that write articles like this. I would say wanting to keep total strangers from being able to make a living For no reason except “I don’t think they should be open” is the most entitled viewpoint out there. Luckily if they do open no one will force anyone to go to these places. Yes, the people who are super spooked about the virus can still hunker down in their homes if they want to. So stay home if you want to, but allow people to make their own choices.
There have been 29 deaths in Cleveland country total. More people die of alcohol and drug related causes than that and we all know how prohibition and the drug wars have gone. I hope these business owners win their lawsuit and are allowed to reopen ASAP. The long term effects and deaths resulting from this shut down will make the virus look like child’s playing. The UN is already estimating millions of deaths including hundreds of thousands of children due to the global recession the shut downs will cause if left ongoing. So sorry Karen, Just because you feel it’s to scary to go outside doesn’t mean no one should be allowed to. Stay home if you want, but everyone should HSE a choice and some small time irrelevant mayor shouldn’t have the right to close down a private citizens business because she feels like it.
Oh so you’re a founding member of the Re-Open Norman Facebook group?
Heck no. I wouldn’t live in Norman for all the meth in Cleveland county. Just agree with these people trying to earn a living and disagree whole heartedly with the “you can’t work because I’m scared” nonsense people are saying. Those are usually the work from home types that have no idea how things work in the real world. Like bloggers. Print more money! Is a saying these uniformed people usually spout while they continue to parrot whatever Vox.com says.
Citing “You don’t need your nails done anyway” is the apex of ignorance as it totally disregards the business owners, employees, and related entities that rely on income generated from these services. The ripple effects are huge and I’m sorry “rabble rabble you’re killing papa for the economy” is the laziest, dumbest, most ignorant claim made by these people.
Very good reply. It won’t play well on this site because it’s logical and reasonable but I enjoyed reading it.
Thank you
Sam, the White House is now predicting up to 3,000 Covid deaths a day coming. A 9/11 every day. If you hate this country so much, leave it.
Again if you are so scared what does it matter? Stay home. But don’t force people to stay at home while other “essential” businesses keep operating. We aren’t talking about people being shut down from everything and then letting everyone back out. Most stuff is open now. I could go to Best Buy and buy a nonessential 80 inch tv this entire time and you are angry about a small business owner wanting to open? How much since does that make? Come on my dude.
I don’t think allowing people to freely choose for themselves is in anyway a contrast to what America stands for. Authoritarian lock downs on the other hand….. not so much.
That was a debunked report. Stop watching CNN.
That STUPID suit fits you well sammie girl!
Yea. Experts are citing that 1 in 4 Americans will face food shortages because of the shut down. You are an absolute moron mr. suxdix. Go on and tell everyone how bad the 36 deaths from covid are compared to millions starving. It’s amazing how the dumbest Most uninformed people around claim everyone else is stupid because they get likes on twitter.
The hypocrisy of the right is stunning again.
I have heard many on the right say too many times on national media (so there is actually a video & audio records) that we need to sacrifice lives for the economy & yet those very same people supported investigations of Hillary 8 times because 4 lives were lost at Benghazi. Yes, an investigation was appropriate but when it was done that many times, what was the point? How about those death panels in the ACA? You totally lost it over that too.
I agree if one doesn’t want to social distance, wear a mask or self quarantine & go out into the public that is your right but sign that advance directive refusing medical care before hand so when you get sick you aren’t putting the lives of First Responders & the medical community at risk. My ER working RN step daughter’s life is too important to waste on the nay sayers.
Oh please. Spare me the false equivalence nonsense you copied from a huffpo article. The only hypocrisy in this debate are the lunatics on the extreme left that don’t have any understanding of reality. How about the constant claiming states rights are “racist” and now everyone on the left is a true federalist, or calling out protestors because they disagree with them? I’ve always heard that was bad from them! Or claiming the government travel bands were racist and an overreaction and then flipping to it’s not enough? It’s all nonsense. How about we allow all people that want to stay home sign a waiver that we won’t feed them when the food runs out?
I’m glad your step daughter has a job! A lot don’t. My wife is also an RN caring for covid patients. The major hospital she works for just furloughed 800 employees because the overload of covid patients never happened! We flattened the curve. That was the point of the lock down. So let’s open back up. Let the scared starve of their own choice is apt better than let the willing starve because some idiot mayor says so.
Brenda, you haven’t heard anyone on the right say “that we need to sacrifice lives for the economy”. You are putting words in their mouths and misrepresenting their statements. I am “on the right” and I watch and read a lot more conservative news than you. I have yet to hear someone “on the right” say what you said. But I have heard plenty on the left translate it the way you did.
Lol. Thanks Sam for the compliment on my comment you are calling a “copy & paste from Huffpost.”
Here is what Dan Patrick said on Tucker Carlson: “Dan Patrick, Texas’ Republican lieutenant governor, on Monday night suggested that he and other grandparents would be willing to risk their health and even lives in order for the United States to “get back to work” amid the coronavirus pandemic. “Those of us who are 70 plus, we’ll take care of ourselves. But don’t sacrifice the country,” Patrick said on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”
The GOP official, who’ll turn 70 next week, went on to say, “No one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that America loves for its children and grandchildren?’ And if that is the exchange, I’m all in.”
So yes, tRumpers are calling for sacrifices to open the economy. What does it say about your morality when workers are required to go back to work in unsafe environments such as the meat packing industry, or lose their unemployment benefits?
Death’s are low because we’ve done a good job mitigating the threat of the virus (and we haven’t really had decent testing to show how many people have had this or died from it). The long term effects of this virus have the potential to pale in comparison to that, with the current death rate and how infectious it’s proven to e. I hope I’m wrong, but we’re likely see a significant spike in cases because people are impatient and spooked about the economy.
Drugs and alcohol aren’t contagious, so the comparison is moot.
and that’s all well and good. Like I said if you are worried about it stay in quarantine. Why do you care what others do? If you stay in your house it won’t matter. Drugs and alcohol deaths are very contagious. Ask the thousands killed by impaired drivers, murdered by drug cartels, babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome or addicted to opioids, domestic violence victims and violent crime increases in the cases of drug and alcohol abuse. So yea. We would be a lot better off without alcohol or illicit drugs, but sometimes in a free country you just have to take the good with the bad. We can’t all hide in our homes because a drunk driver might be on the road. Well I guess you could if you are really worried about it. Just like in this case but we sure aren’t making everyone do that.
We can still social distance, wear masks, and do best practices, but a mayor with a power trip needing an ego boost from social media has no right to force citizens to go bankrupt no matter what is happening.
I care because the current numbers have the death rates at just over 5% of Oklahoma, and 5% of Oklahomans dying are going to do a shit ton more damage to the economy than being closed for another week or two. Your argue that the disease hasn’t been that serious, but that mindset completely ignores the fact that we’ve taken a lot of efforts to minimize the damage it has done, and it’s working. Now, we want to rush everything back open, world be damned. It’d be like saying it’s safe to run into a fully engulfed house just because the fire isn’t growing anymore, or that deaths from falling out of planes are very low, so we don’t need parachutes.
I work in health care, and I’ve been going into work still. If this disease hit where I work, it’d put a healthy chunk of the people coming to my job for help in significant risk of death or serious complications. So it does matter to me beyond that. I sympathize
If you drink alcohol, it doesn’t get the person next to you drunk. Yes, other people do die from people’s choices sometimes, but that’s not what contagious means.
I sympathize with small businesses. I think we should do everything we can to help them, and I’d love for them to re-open and for this to be past us. But we set a safe standard for re-opening and haven’t even been able to wait until then. We’ve pushed to reopen even before the bare minimum we set for ourselves. We can help these businesses without taking the stance of “yeah, I’m OK with more people dying for the economy.”
Like I said before, I hope I’m wrong. I’d rather have just overreacted and this wasn’t a big deal. But the numbers we see don’t really show that to be true. Instead, we’ve seen political machinations to get people to think it’s less serious, because that’s what benefits wealthy donors and entrenched politicians more than caution.
And yes, we could still socially distance and wear masks, etc. But given what happened in Stillwater, we won’t. I predicted going in that as soon as the first wave ended, people would act like “we survived this” and try to go back to normal, and that seems to be how most people are approaching it. And honestly, any individual’s freedom to be an idiot still has to be weighed against the health of everyone else. That’s why I have no problem with people in Kentucky being arrested if they try to break quarantine after being diagnosed.
However, if everyone would wear a mask we will, as a community, get through this faster and with alot less illness. However, this seems to be something some people do not have the mental capacity to comprehend.
Agree, it seems to be an agenda to bury the small business owners. Walmart, Target & grocery stores can stay open but the locally-owned businesses most have been closed.
“Sam” has the most effed up view of individual liberties, which is prevalent on one half of the political spectrum. Individual liberties do not mean a person gets to do whatever they want, and consequences be damned. It means you have certain identified rights (see US Constitution) free from government interference. There are thousands of books that can inform you as to what these are and what constitutes government interference. Social Media (Facebook, Twitter, and, yes, 4Chan) and Fox News (I don’t care if they have a “Judge” or former prosecutor, or whatever) are not places to go for accurate information.
As for your belief that you should be able to operate a business a do what you want for the sake of the almighty dollar be damned the consequences actually: why should I have to suffer the consequences from your ignorant decisions? Why should you have the right to force me to stay in my home? Why do you decide whether to put my life at risk because you’re an idiot? You’d never support allowing people to drink and drive (at least I hope. I tend to base things on rational thought, but these days that seems to be failing). Let’s examine the consequences:
1. They will get people sick and spread the virus, thereby killing others. I’m not just saying they will kill other people who decided to go to the nail salon, but potentially dozens of other people who didn’t, including those who you say should just stay inside. I guess this is the sanctity of life BS that one side preaches so much…oh wait, it doesn’t involve a baby and disproportionately impacts people of color? I guess I answered my question. Just because you don’t see the person, you are responsible for their death.
2. Carrying on the last point. People (not just those that choose to go to the salon) will get sick. When they get sick, they miss work, incur hospital bills, etc. Why should they have to suffer because you are an idiot willing to put other people’s lives in danger? Are you willing to pay for those things? Don’t worry, I could guess the answer to that one before I even wrote it.
3. Most of these small businesses will receive federally-backed loans and still go out of business. They will never repay the money. I guess there go my tax dollars. It was worth it knowing that a few people got their nails did. Anyway, in a few months, your group will go back to complaining about the government giving people money again.
4. I pay taxes and for insurance. When people get sick, two things happen. One, insurance rates go up, which makes me pay more money. Two, if they don’t have insurance, I pay for the bills through the taxes. Why should I have to pay the consequences for the choices of individuals willing to put others in danger? I’m happy to pay for people and do my part, but people like you are making it harder to continue doing that.
As a final note, a friend and mentor of mine passed away from COVID-19. He was a greater man than you, people running this country, and the people propagating BS like this. He was worth 100 of your ilk. So in summation – Fluck off.
Wow a lawyer with political bias. Your job title is meaningless now.
Maybe so, but a very successful one. The fact that you use the term unbiased lawyer tells me what kind of lawyer you are vs the lawyer you think you are.
Lucky lawyer has the most screwed up view on humans ability to survive without food a shelter that seems to be prevalent on one side of the political spectrum. I thought we learned that in grade school that humans need air, water, food, shelter or they die. I guess we are about to find out if that’s true is we continue these lockdowns. The only people bucking the consequences are you. I would love for you to show me anywhere in the constitution you speak of that says you can be placed on house arrest for no reason.
No I would not support drunk driving, but I also wouldn’t airport banning all cars or banning all alcohol to prevent it either. That’s you argument in a nutshell. You are scared of covid so you want everyone banned from going outside.
In fact a great mentor of mine was killed by a drunk driver. This person was better than you, your friend that does of covid and any mayor in some meth town. Am I trying to ban all alcohol or driving because I’m upset? Of corse not. Only people like you think that way. People like you are so selfish you only care about yourself and what you want. If you remain quarantined there is absolutely no risk of you getting infected regardless of what others do. Just like if you never leave you house you won’t get killed by a drunk driver.
You are simply a selfish reactionary that cares only for things if they fit your viewpoint and would gladly through others under the bus. I pay the same taxes you do, same insurance, same everything. When your money has no buying power and the food runs out I’m sure you won’t be whining about an increase on some health care cost.
The shut downs was put in place to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the health care system. Not to indefinitely keep everyone at home for months to save a couple dozen people so millions would die. It has been a great success and worked perfectly. Are hospitals are easily keeping up with the couple dozens of people that have been admitted for covid. Now it’s time to open and continue our lives. People can still get sick and they have been even in the lockdown. But we flattened the curve and it’s time to end it. You have no argument in keeping it closed except the fact that it makes you feel like you are standing against something you don’t like. As soon as you repeated the “virus is racist” I knew what type of person that was trying to argue against preventing millions of deaths and children suffering. Fuck off you selfish idiot.
The standard for reopening was a standard decline in daily new cases for 14 days. We haven’t had that in Oklahoma, we’ve had inconsistent peaks and valleys, but no consistent decline. We are flattening it, in the present sense. If we keep it up, we might be able to open soon, because Oklahoma isn’t super densely populated. This is especially true if we get expanded testing in the state, which I hope happens soon. But if we don’t keep it up, I believe we’re going to see a huge spike. And the problem is, we don’t know this virus well. Yes most of the deaths are from elderly and those in poor health, but many of those being hospitalized are younger, and even younger individuals are having serious, life-changing complications from it. We’ve had young children die from it and young adults suffer serious life-changing complications and we don’t know why. This isn’t just a matter of “I have freedom so it’s my risk to take,” it’s a matter of this having an effect on us for a generation and everything that comes with that. In general, if people want to drink themselves dumb or take drugs, I believe that’s a personal decision as long as they don’t hurt anyone else. But this isn’t a normal situation. This is a different kind of disease from what we’ve seen before in how contagious it is and how it affects people. I think downplaying it’s risk is very dangerous.
Drunk driving deaths are tragic, so are all the other negative effects of alcoholism and drug use. But, for the comparison to be accurate, we’d need one drunk driver to get in about 10 accidents, and for those 10 accidents to get into 10 more accidents, so on and so forth to be an apt comparison. That’s the difference between a contagious disease and a negative externality to an action, which is what alcoholism and drug use have.
I would be interested in seeing where you got the millions of deaths figure from not reopening right now. I’m not doubting at all that there is suffering from being closed, but from everything I’ve seen, the potential death tolls from opening are much higher than those from staying closed.
The UN released a reports predicting hindered of thousands of kids dying due to the shut downs
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21Y2X7
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.amp.html
I mean we can keep everything closed and starve and be homeless or we can open and deal with the virus. I know the survival rate for starving is 0%. The survival rate for covid-19 is 99%. If we keep at risk people isolated and do our best practices it’s avoidable. There really is no other alternative. If you don’t work you don’t have money to pay for shelter or food. If we just print money it will no longer have value and we won’t be able to buy anything anyway. . If farmers, truck drivers, grocery workers, don’t work it won’t matter Because there won’t be any food to buy. It’s far more complicated than “stay home.” Food just doesn’t appear on the shelves. It’s not “dying for the economy” it’s working so we don’t die. Working so the world doesn’t fall apart. It’s a complicated issue that experts are cautioning will have lasting effects if we continue. We must listen to experts, stop politicizing a crisis, and do what’s best for the country and the world.
Those are powerful stories, thank you for sharing them.
Experts are also cautioning that it’s too early and that we’re likely to have an increase in cases and preventable deaths if we re-open early as well. They also say that we need to keep some businesses closed and not try to re-open everything at once. So yes, I agree we should listen to experts, but experts aren’t telling us that we’re safe to re-open. Judging by the crowd’s at Kong’s yesterday, I’m not inclined to believe that we’re committed enough to keep it from spreading when we do reopen.
No one is saying we need to keep everything closed forever. No one wants everything to be closed forever. I honestly believe we’re getting closer and closer to having adequate testing and stores that are open have done a mostly good job in trying to enforce social distancing. And, honestly, I think we ultimately do want the same thing, we want things to return to normal as safely as possible. But currently, coronavirus death rates are hovering between 5 and 6% in Oklahoma, not 1% (the flu is generally less than a percent). Oklahoma is pretty prime for having serious cases simply because we’re a fairly unhealthy state in the first place, so that’s more reason why we should take the question of when to reopen very seriously.
You’re right, this is very complicated, and I don’t think it should be political either (though sadly it’s started to become entrenched in politics because this is an election year). The question about reopening shouldn’t be a one-size-fits-all for every municipality in the state either, it should depend on population density and the state of testing locally. The sad truth is that we’re going to have long-lasting effects no matter which path we take. Where we disagree is which path will have the least harm, and those paths have become politicized. This is not an inconsequential illness, it’s not just a bad flu season, and if some of the death rates that we’ve seen in other countries happen here, we’re going to see a lot of people with serious injuries or killed from the disease. And, honestly, it’s not a good death, it’s a very awful one. I don’t wish it on anyone. This isn’t just a case of individual freedoms, because it is literally impossible for someone who has it to not spread it unless they quarantine, and we don’t have enough testing to be safely be able to determine who has it and who doesn’t (also, the virus is mutating, so there’s that). And even if we do, we still have people who just don’t want to buy in, and sadly there is a political element to that as well.
I think the odds of all society starving and wasting away if we don’t reopen right this second are lower than the odds of us infecting a lot more people and risking both unnecessary deaths/serious longterm complications and having to do this again if we do reopen too soon. But I think that the earlier we try to push it, the more likely we are to undo the progress that we’ve made, and that even a few weeks could make a huge difference.
I knew this was happening but not that one of the places was LeVisage. Won’t be going there again. They’re massively overpriced but have one of the best massage therapists in Norman. I think he is (or was) married to the owner.
One person I know had to soak and take off her own dip powder manicure about a month in. Dip powder and gel manicures are HARD to take off. You really can’t do it at home without the right chemicals, equipment, and expertise, and you may end up hurting yourself. This person said they had not seen their own bare nails in well over 5 years, yet she’s still not one of the assholes protesting and is glad salons aren’t reopening yet.
#NotAllKarens
Check out the Re-Open Norman (public) Facebook group. It’s a shitshow of epic proportions, especially the early posts before it had 1,300 unvetted members. I think all the people involved in the petition are in the group. People in the (again, public) group thought they had a mole at one point since screenshots were getting posted elsewhere.
The salons mentioned are professional hair salons not the “line ’em up” mall nail places. They must adhere to very strict standards of sanitation and are regularly inspected by the state board of cosmetology. These places have worked very hard to set in place restrictions that insure that no more than 10 people (5 stylists with 1 client each) will be in their shops at a time with much more distancing than you’ll find at the malls. Their services are essential for many, especially the elderly. Most of the older population can no longer trim their toe nails or wash their hair due to physical limitations. Not having access to these services creates a health risk. Younger people take these hygiene activities for granted. Maybe these people should just go to the groomer–they’re deemed essential services.
All salons from professional hair salons to “line’em up” mall places are inspected regularly & adhere to standards of sanitation etc. Your comment implies that the the mall salons adhere to lower standards.
As far as servicing the elderly like my 89 yr old Mother who is lives on a fixed income, few can afford either type of salon but Medicare & Medicaid will pay for regular foot care with a Podiatrist that does not cost her anything. She is able to do her own hair but when she was recovering from shoulder replacement surgery, her Home Health Aid came in to her home several times a week to clean, cook & help Mom bath & wash her hair. The RN that saw mom weekly trimmed her nails as needed. It was paid for by funding from Nebraska Council on Aging & Mom paid a small monthly co-payment that was on a sliding scale.
The last place the elderly should be is a salon with even as few as 9 other people.
I know the lawyer that filed this lawsuit. I’m surprised.
127 pages? Obviously he charges by the word.
Oooops, she forgot to close law offices! 😉
I clipped my own fingernails this morning. It was free! That’s an especially good feature if you were laid off.
I feel badly for the nail workers. They no doubt earn low pay, have been without income for several weeks, and have to put up with entitled and probably unmasked _____s all day.
When I get my car washed, I get it polished, too. That way it’s better protected against the weather. Same goes for hands these days. It’s not enough merely to wash them, they really must be polished, too, to more effectively ward off COVID-19. Thus the need for nail salons. Absolutely essential.
And after a satisfying day at the reopened, absolutely essential, spa, let’s go home and relax like our Dear Leader with some hamberders and Tide Pods followed with covfefe spiked with Clorox to both cure your day and the virus.
There are elderly and handicapped women who cannot clip their own toenails, and they get ingrown and infected. These people are not going for vanity, they are going because it is ESSENTIAL to keep them maintained so they will not get infected toes and be able to wear shoes comfortably. These people deserve better. They are in pain. The podiatrists are hanging up on people calling them for help. As long as strict safety precautions are met, these people should be allowed to have care for their feet! Damn all you selfish uncaring people….
Toni you will find that most people (not all) that post here are self-righteous and pretentious. It’s kinda their thing.
Please don’t get worked up about it. They don’t care and your sentiments are wasted here.
That would include you, eh? But with opposing opinions.
Epilogue: the salons won their case. The salon owners who would like to open can now open under the safety rules for COVID-19 established by their respective State licensing authorities without further meddling by Commandant Clark.
Appears to be a lot of concern about needy feet and toes–horror stories about fungus and the like. Perhaps extend your sympathy to those contracting a lethal virus.
When my mother couldn’t cut her own toenails, I did it for her. That was a lot easier (and less expensive) than taking her to a nail salon.
“People are still getting infected and dying” quote from this article. Let’s play a word game
“People are still driving a car and dying”
“People are still getting the flu and dying”
“People are still eating raw oysters and dying”
Guess what, dying is part of living
Continue your word game:
“People don’t unknowing kill others while driving and continue to live and be unaffected”
“People can’t ignore traffic laws and randomly drive like an unguided missile without legal consequences”
“People choose to take a chance when they eat a raw oyster, they don’t randomly stuff them down someone who doesn’t want to eat one” You don’t wear a mask or stay away from me, you could kill me, unless I shove an oyster down your throat, you’re not going to die from an oyster.
By your logic we should just accept murders, mass shootings, and any other thing that results in death as “okay, no big deal, so long as you can do whatever you want”
add this to your word game:
Fuck you and your word game you fucking moron. And if you don’t like what I’ve said then add this:
Some guys will take that confederate flag hat off you and stick it up your ass, hit me up you want to meet to discuss.
If you eat raw oysters and die, then that decision affects only you.
If you drive a car and kill someone else, you can be held legally liable if it wasn’t an accident.
The flu isn’t nearly as contagious or deadly as the coronavirus has been. If it were, we’d likely have a much stricter response to it.
There is a baseball card store in Edmond that has been open all through the shut down. What could be more essential than that?
Probably the local newspaper in Edmond – oh, never mind.
The primary issue was the recent Norman closure/open process was catastrophically inconsistent. For example; Bowling Alleys, Pet Groomers, Dentists, Optometrists and limited seating restaurants were included in the first wave of opening, yet Hair/Nail salons were excluded. Based upon the approved versus unapproved list, I told my wife (a salon owner in Norman) someone would sue over the disparity in the opening order. She and her co-owner both feel it’s too early, so they will remain closed at least until May 15th regardless of the order. They are foregoing the loss of income for what they believe is a necessary closure. That said, other owners don’t feel the same way and I find it hard to defend bowling alleys and pet groomers being allowed to open and excluding salons, it was a perfect recipe for a legal action.