Before we get to this post, I want to be very clear that The Lost Ogle is 100% supportive of Oklahoma teachers. In November, I joked that Brenton Hager – the off-roading police chase guy – is the hero this state needs. That honor now falls on teachers. What they’re doing at the capitol is great for our state. They’re an inspiration for all of us. Keep fighting the good fight for Oklahoma kids!
That being said, I think we all had a feeling something like this would happen.
Yesterday afternoon, the OSBI announced that a teacher from Clinton was arrested after she admitted to having sex with a 15-year old student before and after a trip to the walkout at the Capitol. She has been charged with facilitating sexual conduct or communication with a minor by use of technology, two counts of second degree rape, and pattern of criminal offenses.
Here are more details via KFOR.com:
An Oklahoma middle school teacher has been arrested for raping one of her students, officials said.
Keri Hoffman, 35, an algebra teacher at Clinton Middle School, was arrested Sunday for multiple counts of rape involving a student, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation reports.
State officials say Hoffman and her husband drove to the Clinton Police Department on Saturday, where she confessed to having a sexual relationship with one of her 15-year-old students…
She allegedly admitted to having sex with the boy numerous times since March 30, 2018, inside her car and inside her father’s detached garage.
Hoffman also told authorities that she had sex with the boy before taking him to the Capitol for the teacher walkout last week and before she dropped him off at home later that evening.
That sucks. I had a friendly bet with Clark Matthews that the first teacher walkout sex scandal would happen in the third week of the walkout. He, of course, picked March 30th on the dot. Give Clark Matthews credit. He’s a soothsayer when it comes to sex scandals.
Anyway, I know there are bad apples in every tree – and thanks to years of malnourishment the Oklahoma teaching tree can fill a compost pile with them – but this sort of tomfoolery has to stop. It seems like some story about some teacher doing some inappropriate thing with a student happens on a weekly basis. If teachers are going to do this stuff, at least have the decency to wait until after the walkout. Or better yet, do what our lawmakers do and try to be a little discreet about it.
Can we call this what it is? She didn’t have sex with the student. She raped him. A fifteen year old cannot legally consent to sex with his 35 year old teacher.
I don’t think it’s good idea for a female teacher to hook up with a male student, but does it automatically qualify as rape? Maybe in a legal sense, but that’s a dangerous blanket statement that ignores circumstance. When I was in high school, one of my classmates claimed he hooked up with a teacher when he was 15. We all figured he was lying, but if was telling the truth, he was a very happy, willing and consenting participant.
Yep the old female teacher male student – he was lucky. Now reverse the sexes of the participants.
If the genders were reversed, and it was a female students with the hots for a male teacher, would it still matter that the student really, really wanted to have sex with him? The only circumstance at play in this case is the age disparity of the participants. One legally cannot consent, no matter if they might fantasize about it.
One thing everyone is missing here is the power dynamic that is involved in a student/teacher relationship. She is in a position of authority regardless of where or not he is in her class. She has the power in the relationship. If he had decided at anytime during their relationship that he wanted to end it, she could’ve used his refusal against him via his grade. He might even prolong the relationship for fear it would reflect in his grade.
This is one of the reasons many colleges and universities have rules against faculty being involved with students they have in class.
Rape is sexual intercourse without consent. A juvenile is, by definition, incapable of giving consent.
Playing it off by alleging his “consent” plays into the whole awful false narrative of men-studs and women-sluts.
Gender is a social construct, anyway… I bet she gets that pussy pass, tho.
I agree with you about “A fifteen year old cannot legally consent…” Having said that, and I’ll be blasted for posting this, but when I was fifiteen, I would have gladly consented to having sex with a few of my highschool female teachers. Very gladly…
I can guarantee you that at 15 I could not have been raped enough by my teachers.
I was 17, which I guess is “of age to consent”. Our student teacher in English Lit, lit a doobie with me. It didn’t end well. None of it. I thought it was a roll in the hay. She thought she was in love with me. A long haired, leaping gnome.recoley
Spill that wine!
No need to look it up. Eric Burden and War, previously with The Animals. Thank you for the memory Mr. Liver.
Absolutely, you are right, Jennifer. I read a very sick and VERY long list of these disgusting female “teachers” who have molested and raped students, and all I saw were makes all cheering about it. It has become an epidemic. Insidious. While we debate how to keep students safe in school, this has to be included.
The list I read was on CBS’s website, please read it.
Please DO support our good Oklahoma teachers. Why won’t any Thunder players speak up? I’m totally kidding, their jobs are subsidized by tax $$$$ that should go to education. Maybe if we do better for our teachers, we can protect students too. It’s worth a try.
With emergency certifications being handed out like candy because legislators won’t pay for good teachers to stay, gotta realize people like this will use the opportunity to sneak through not only by emergency certification, but also through teaching programs desperate to fill the void in our system. People like her are great at tucking the crazy and nasty in, so it’s no surprise they’re being found out.
Emergency certification has nothing to do with sexual predators. The college I went has 1 in 27 education alum/certified teachers now in jail for sexual conduct with minors, in that college’s state. Where I am from, emergency certification is not allowed.
Man, why didn’t anything like this happen while I was in school?!
How original.
On the other hand, a 15 year old in middle school doesn’t speak well of our educational system.
I thought I might have a problem with the Governor’s race but 3 republicans came out against the protest and Mick can’t a decision.
My middle school included 9th grade, which includes 15 year olds.
My apologies, my kids went to Deer Creek and Edmond with middle school ending in 8th grade. I forgot about Jenks and the other Tulsa area schools that pack thousands into a 3 year high school in order to dominate athletics.
You mad Walter?
Mick is the Arthur Carlson candidate for Governor. This is a WKRP reference, and there was an episode where he ran for mayor, exposed the incumbent for being an alcoholic, and decided that was wrong so began doing everything he could to lose the race. Like Mick he constantly had “no comment” for any question so as not to alienate any voter.
It will be interesting to see if the candidate who wins the primary will back peddle off this stand against the teachers. They seem to think this hard line approach towards those “uppity teachers” will win support. Perhaps it will in the Republican Primary, but it sounds more like the Mary Fallin Republican Party, which hopefully is losing its popularity. Or you could take the Mick Cornett approach and keep quiet on any controversial decision in hopes of winning the election. While personally Mick Cornett is a nice guy, I know him quite well, he is not someone you want in public office, unless of course you think Mary Fallin is a good Governor. He is like her in so many ways.
Mick has said he thinks the walkout is a bad idea. This is the man who has/has a parent who spent their entire career as an educator.
Mick is a hole. A big black hole of suck. The entire country is watching us, and Corbett will never back teachers! You do know about the subsidies we pay for with tax dollars, right? The Thunder is a recipient of that, and if we overturned that deal, and stopped subsidizing oil companies, there would be about $100m in the Oklahoma budget. Boom, money for educators.
BUT! Mickey wants to always be the grand buy who single handedly brought the NBA to Oklahoma City! Gross that he cares more about multimillionaire bball players than plain ol’ teachers. He did talk about his Dad when he ran though, man he’s a hypocrite. Thanks Mike, for that reminder, I had forgotten. It gets harder and harder to talk up this city and state when you know how shallow and amoral it’s leadership is.
Apparently I’m the only one who saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83zhAnDAPU. Warning, there is a 30 second Richardson commercial before Mayor Mick.
In March he was against a strike, this week he is not commenting.
If the primary was today I’d be voting for Gary Jones, State Auditor.
This is kinda expected. When you are not willing to pay for the best often times you get the worst. I am really afraid for the public school support staff and when you cant afford to hire good people you often have to make compromises. I’m surprised you dont see it more often among support staff seeing as most of them make less than a cashier at Quick Trip. Next time you walk into a Dollar Store ask yourself would I like to see this guy driving my kids home from school?
I love how you say low pay just attracts these teachers. Does giving her a raise and everything she wants stop her from having sex with students. I think not
No Joe I am saying that higher pay attracts the best candidates. Like I said in my post, go to the dollar store and ask yourself would I like to see that cashier teaching my children.
You were almost decent, then you show your snobbery. At least that person at the Dollar Store (which my senior citizen parents think is a fun place to shop and they are wonderful people) works for his or her low wage. By your standard, we could replace all teachers with Thunder Players and heads of oil companies. They make the most money in OK, right?
No. But perhaps there would be adequate staff in schools, so teachers aren’t alone with students in great swaths of time.
While this story is becoming the norm in our teaching institutions, I would think that this piece about Tom Coburn’s current activity would be more important than a 15 year old boning his teacher.
No offense Patrick or TLO staff.
Crap’s happening so fast these days, that I can only imagine what it’s like to keep up with it all.
http://www.news9.com/story/37914787/group-to-start-petition-initiative-that-may-jeopardize-teacher-pay-raises
Where do I sign?! Making a pack of Marlboro Red Shorts a $1 higher won’t solve squat and increasing the tax rate will only hurt the local businesses.
How far must things go before these daft SOB’s start to consider legalizing recreational?
As long as Joke-lahoma’s legislature is held hostage by 1950s era evangelicals and their offspring, you’ve got a better chance at staying clean in a two-story outhouse, than seeing recreational legalized. Stop the Victorian “morals system” from being used to propagate the nanny state, and we might have a shot. We can only hope for legalization of any kind at this point my man.
Time for the teachers to go back to work. Enough is enough. Devon Energy is laying off hundreds of people which will mean less revenue for the State of Oklahoma. If teachers are so upset with their current pay they need to look elsewhere for employment.
Um, ok. So are you saying that you are FOR churning out semi-literate, imbecilic children in Oklahoma? That is the ultimate price for “sending teachers packing”. I know that our beloved energy industry in Oklahoma is putting out books for kids in the classroom now, but are you SURE that you want the energy industry educating our children?
https://www.thelostogle.com/2017/06/21/oil-companies-use-childrens-books-to-indoctrinate-oklahomas-youth/
Not about pay, K. Should be clear by now.
The best way to increase state revenue is to try to attract a more diverse economy to the state, not cater to one historically cyclical industry and hope it doesn’t go through its normal cycles. As a state, we have a hard time attracting any other major industries to invest in the state.
You know why we can’t attract any other major industries? It’s not tax rates, which are among the lowest in the nation. It’s because state services, especially education, suck. It’s no different from when Boeing spurned us, businesses are going to pick a location they want themselves or their workers to live in, not just where the taxes are the lowest.
If you’re content with continuing to race to the bottom, then we can keep doing what we’re doing and inviting teachers to leave. Then, we can keep pushing to make “Thank God for Mississippi” our official state motto. Because that’s where we are a state with the endless short-sighted worship of the oil industry.
Are your shoes too tight?
Time for you to know what you are writing about before you get in a very flimsy soapbox about it. This article is about a female teacher who allegedly raped (y es, TLO, that is rape. Fifteen is not old enough to consent to sex, so at the very least, it’s statutory rape. Come on, you guys can research too, I have faith in you) a student. This is more common than school shootings, but because people refuse to call this rape, guys are writing trash like “Why didn’t we have teachers like that when I was 15?!?!?!” Many of these kids are in therapy now, a female student raped by her male teacher took her own life. Is that what you want ? How is this any different from the Catholic priests who were molesting young boys en masse? That made everyone sick. This is no different! And really, let’s change nothing? Welcome to Oklahoma, where you can cheat on your spouses, hand out subsidies to millionaires, and still win elections in ” family values”! Which family, Manson?
Who did this lady think she was, Ralph Shortey?
Walter I think he is the only truly honest R in the race. I think he has no special interest groups that control him. He is a finance man and understands what needs to be done without a lot of BS from outsiders. Unfortunately….I think you and I are among the few who believe in him. Hope I am wrong.
It’s shameful this has happened. The images of these encounters will be forever in this boy’s mind will be with him all of his life. There’s no doubt that this boy will now be looking for another female to satisfy his needs and that could come at a price including a possible violent attack on a young school girl. This young man must have counseling and must be watched for changes in behavior.
As for the teacher, she will most likely do some time, probably three years in prison. She should also be drug tested for METH and Cocaine. Her life is ruined. She will never be able to show her face in public again. Her career is over. She will not be able to work anywhere, as nobody would hire her.
If the sex was consensual, which I believe it was. I rather doubt that she wrestled the boy to the ground like a steer and tied him up in order to have sex with him, and would have done this multiple times to have sex with the boy. I rather imagine she noticed a growing bulge in his jeans and became interested.
Nevertheless, the boy is 15 years old and technically he is a minor. That’s where the case falls into dealing with an adult and a minor and as being a rape case. In my opinion, it is not a rape case, as the boy was a willing and ready participant.
Still, the teacher should never have crossed that line to have sex with a student and/or sex with a minor.
Go to any full service restaurant and 15-16 year old girls and boys are boning 22-25 year olds like the planets survival depends on it. There is also a power dynamic there; no one bats an eyelash in those situations.
Fire her. Move on.
Oklahoma should follow Reagan’s example. Fire all the teachers that participated in the walkout.
Especially the gay ones, right Kirk?
I mean, they already did follow Reagan’s example of destroying the economy with magic economics to stealthily give a boost to wealthy donors
What is the teachers Assn doing to attempt to stop this constantly occurring situation?